How do you fix a spinal pivot point

[AidanJ]

I’ve been reading up on some old threads and blog posts about the hand pivot point and I think I have a good understanding of how it works. I also think I have a good understanding of the spinal pivot point which I believe is the pivot point I’m using. I’ve tried for buckets at a time off the tee trying to hit the ball oppo, but haven’t been been able to hit anything remotely close to the second baseman, all right back at the pitcher or pulled. That’s the best evidence I’ve seen of a spinal pivot point. Looking at footage, what I THINK I’m seeing is a spinal pivot point but I’m not totally sure. Anyone willing to offer their $0.02 on what is happening and how I can fix it? Thank you [IMG][/IMG]

[jsoriano]

I’ve been reading up on some old threads and blog posts about the hand pivot point and I think I have a good understanding of how it works. I also think I have a good understanding of the spinal pivot point which I believe is the pivot point I’m using. I’ve tried for buckets at a time off the tee trying to hit the ball oppo, but haven’t been been able to hit anything remotely close to the second baseman, all right back at the pitcher or pulled. That’s the best evidence I’ve seen of a spinal pivot point. Looking at footage, what I THINK I’m seeing is a spinal pivot point but I’m not totally sure. Anyone willing to offer their $0.02 on what is happening and how I can fix it? Thank you [IMG][/IMG]

Can you post a clip in regular speed?

[AidanJ]

Can you post a clip in regular speed?

Here you go

[jsoriano]

Here you go

Thanks. A couple things stand out to me
1. not turning the barrel
2. You look 'all back, all forward' in your movement

Are you familiar with the command drill yet?

[AidanJ]

Thanks. A couple things stand out to me
1. not turning the barrel
2. You look 'all back, all forward' in your movement

Are you familiar with the command drill yet?

The command drill? I don’t think I’ve read anything on that yet. And by turning the barrel you mean pronation and supination right?

[jsoriano]

The command drill? I don’t think I’ve read anything on that yet. And by turning the barrel you mean pronation and supination right?

Yes, to turn the barrel you have to pronate bottom hand and supinate top hand...but you have to do that instantly to launch your swing...it needs to be the trigger. Here's me doing a stop swing in a drill...turning the barrel 90degrees around the rear forearm to contact


This is command drill...you get post-stride and load from there and then just to turn the barrel to unload. Great drill...it exposes flaws

[AidanJ]

Yes, I to turn the barrel you have to pronate bottom hand and supinate top hand...but you have to do that instantly to launch your swing...it needs to be the trigger. Here's me doing a stop swing in a drill...turning the barrel 90degrees around the rear forearm to contact


This is command drill...you get post-stride and load from there and then just to turn the barrel to unload. Great drill...it exposes flaws

Alright, thanks. I’m going to do both of these drills later today. I understand the command drill, but am a little confused on the “90 degree around the forearm” on the stop drill. So the axis of rotation is the rear wrist and the barrels turning around that (the wrist) at launch because of the snap?

[jsoriano]

[QUOTE=AidanJ;96401]Alright, thanks. I’m going to do both of these drills later today. I understand the command drill, but am a little confused on the “90 degree around the forearm” on the stop drill. So the axis of rotation is the rear wrist and the barrels turning around that (the wrist) at launch because of the snap?[/QUOTE]
I think technically the rear forearm is the axis...but I think you understand. The barrel turns...swivels 90degrees around the rear forearm at the wrist

[AidanJ]

[QUOTE=jsoriano;96402]

Alright, thanks. I’m going to do both of these drills later today. I understand the command drill, but am a little confused on the “90 degree around the forearm” on the stop drill. So the axis of rotation is the rear wrist and the barrels turning around that (the wrist) at launch because of the snap?[/QUOTE]
I think technically the rear forearm is the axis...but I think you understand. The barrel turns...swivels 90degrees around the rear forearm at the wrist

Ohh okay, yeah thank you for confirming, I’ll be sure to do those drills today. Thanks

[RayR]

I’ve been reading up on some old threads and blog posts about the hand pivot point and I think I have a good understanding of how it works. I also think I have a good understanding of the spinal pivot point which I believe is the pivot point I’m using. I’ve tried for buckets at a time off the tee trying to hit the ball oppo, but haven’t been been able to hit anything remotely close to the second baseman, all right back at the pitcher or pulled. That’s the best evidence I’ve seen of a spinal pivot point. Looking at footage, what I THINK I’m seeing is a spinal pivot point but I’m not totally sure. Anyone willing to offer their $0.02 on what is happening and how I can fix it? Thank you [IMG][/IMG]

Watch the rear elbow path. It slots down and then rides the rib cage around and your hands start to plunge to the ball and then you take a wicked left turn. No way you can hit oppo with that.

Watch Turner's rear elbow



The answer is exactly what JS is talking about. Total, total, total buy in to turn the barrel immediately. Do not be shy about splitting the grip and learning to turn. Shut down the need to turn your torso to get the barrel moving. Do it with your hands and forearms.

[Ben]

Yes, to turn the barrel you have to pronate bottom hand and supinate top hand...but you have to do that instantly to launch your swing...it needs to be the trigger. Here's me doing a stop swing in a drill...turning the barrel 90degrees around the rear forearm to contact


This is command drill...you get post-stride and load from there and then just to turn the barrel to unload. Great drill...it exposes flaws

That command drill right there is scary good

[AidanJ]

Watch the rear elbow path. It slots down and then rides the rib cage around and your hands start to plunge to the ball and then you take a wicked left turn. No way you can hit oppo with that.

Watch Turner's rear elbow



The answer is exactly what JS is talking about. Total, total, total buy in to turn the barrel immediately. Do not be shy about splitting the grip and learning to turn. Shut down the need to turn your torso to get the barrel moving. Do it with your hands and forearms.

Woah that’s an awesome angle. I totally see what you’re saying about my left turn and elbow slot/path. There’s no way I’m going to be able to hit through the ball since I’m spinning off so hard.

[AidanJ]

That command drill right there is scary good

I was trying it this afternoon, and had trouble with it. Do you start off constraining the load, or just stand in 50/50 stance and swing with the snap?

[jsoriano]

I was trying it this afternoon, and had trouble with it. Do you start off constraining the load, or just stand in 50/50 stance and swing with the snap?

Definitely not 50/50...let me see if I can walk you thru it...

1. position yourself in a post stride stance.
2. coil rear hip around the rear leg and hold the coil
3. continue load up the rear strip of the back
4. clamp the scap next to the spine and keep it clamped
5. keep the load ongoing even though you are no longer moving...muscles still working to keep the resistance in place
6. with all the resistance still in place just turn the barrel to unload...must launch it rearward

[RayR]

Woah that’s an awesome angle. I totally see what you’re saying about my left turn and elbow slot/path. There’s no way I’m going to be able to hit through the ball since I’m spinning off so hard.

Play around with this as you go through what JS just wrote wrt coil

Load your rear forearm by "twisting" it (turning thumb to body / pronation) but keep a firm grip on the handle with your top hand. Then to swing unload your forearm as quickly as you can. Your top hand thumb should hook the bat handle as the forearm unloads (supinates).