5'9" 170lbs Of Overlap

[GroundUp]

But I feel and see when watching clips, coach, that there are other times in my swing or a swing that I think something is overlapping or moving in 2 directions at one time.

So is it x factor stretch?

So it happems from the lead hip? back pocket to pitcher.

I still dont know what the move (overlapping) is.

I like the way loren described it.

It has to do with a proper setup (i.e., walking away from the hands ... and we can describe that better with the "down & in" motion of the hands first, etc.) ... followed by a well timed hip thrust (showing the pitcher the back pocket).

It's the hip firing ahead of the upper torso ... and the x-stretch that occurs when the setup prior to the thrust is correct.

[GroundUp]

I cant because I have no idea what overlap is. From what Ive heard it could be several things.

I like what you are doing here.

Let's hammer out a definition.

What is wrong with "dynamic X-stretch"?

[swingbuilder]

what is dynamic X stretch? Is that just creating an x stretch with movements?

[swingbuilder]

How does he make it happen?

Has anyone answered this? How do you create overlap? or is it the creating of the stretch and fire that is the overlap?

if so how do you create stretch and fire? and is it as simple as 2 directions at once?

So overlap is 2 directions at once? 2 directions with what? The hands and the Hips? So spin open and counter rotate the shoulders?

[Teacherman]

Taking the hands back as you stride, loading the upper against the lower, the X factor, The X factor stretch, the tug of war, getting separation.....all do not define the overlap. You can do all of them and not overlap. But you must do all of them to overlap.

The overlap (in hitting) occurs only when there is an unloading of a hand pivot point in a circular manner, sending the barrel rearward, after the rear hip has moved/turned in front of the hands, resulting in the rear hip unloading by pulling the hands (not pushing)....resulting in a whip.

That would be the short version.

But the details on the how are critical. And they might surprise you.....but shouldn't by now. It is quite the opposite of what is usually taught.

That was the purpose of the Pedro clip.

More later.

[Stealth]

I am answering before I read the whole thread. LOL

Overlap - the Happy Gilmore drill done correctly. With the barrel tipped to it's max the hips start to open while the barrel goes rearward. Creating max stretch or overlap. Now I will read the thread.

[Lclifton]

I cant because I have no idea what overlap is. From what Ive heard it could be several things.

See the stretch n fire?

How does he make it happen?

How does he load his rear hip?

Answer these last 2 questions in DETAIL has it pertains to a hitter.

Sorry I was talking about these 2 questions you asked for answers for.
That's what I meant by "It's your turn."

[Lclifton]

Has anyone answered this? How do you create overlap? or is it the creating of the stretch and fire that is the overlap?

if so how do you create stretch and fire? and is it as simple as 2 directions at once?

So overlap is 2 directions at once? 2 directions with what? The hands and the Hips? So spin open and counter rotate the shoulders?

No, it is not that simple. It's a start.
You asked to describe it to a 13 yr old. I did. That's where I start.
It is so subjective and it surely does not include spin and counter rotate the shoulders. But I get your point. It's like Mark H and his comments about separation, and him saying poor swings get gobs of it.
This is why clips help. Puts the words into better context, sometimes.

Anyway all I tried was to give a "jumping in" point,
Not a complete or for that matter, CLEAR written description.

This posts highlights that different directions must occur.
I'm convinced I couldn't explain it well writing.

Taking the hands back as you stride, loading the upper against the lower, the X factor, The X factor stretch, the tug of war, getting separation.....all do not define the overlap. You can do all of them and not overlap. But you must do all of them to overlap.

And this, really says it all.

But the details on the how are critical.

I'll leave that to you guys. I admit I couldn't write it well.

[swingbuilder]

That's why I'm doing this...that word critical...I think everyone, at least on the outside, has missed what overlap really is...and how do teach and coach it.

I still look at it from a 4 quadrant perspective.

And like the rest of you. Wanta hear Richs points of view

[swingbuilder]

On my cell at my daughters Volleyball state playoff game....so over look my typos....

So spinnin the hips when the barrel is at the max position in tip to wherever a hitter tips to is overlap?

[GroundUp]

what is dynamic X stretch? Is that just creating an x stretch with movements?

IMO ... yes.

[LRS]

http://www.hittingillustrated.com/fo...9&postcount=15 Quoting Teacherman

" Erik uses the weight of the barrel to supply resistance to help the separation and the overlap to occur. Each and every segment of his swing "deals with" that resistance until the barrel flys through contact. The rippling effect. "

[Teacherman]

From a one-legged, weight back, very solid balanced position, his rock solid rear leg, is trying to turn the knee down and in, against the torso and arm action which is shifting/turning rearward, he opens his hips to clear them.

His rear hip is loaded by/against the rearward moving/turning (sometimes leaning) torso....not against the closing of the front leg or hip. The rear leg is trying to 'go'....by turning forward.....but it is resisted by the torso....as he clears his hips. The lead leg movement increases the stretch in the groin area. Tom has called it 'spreading the legs'. So the lead leg is stretching it as it moves forward and opens.....as the torso is holding it back.

From the resulting position....a highly loaded rear hip socket......he continues to resist with his arm action until 'go'.

Most consider the coil into the rear hip as the load. IMO, the coil is just the trigger for the running start. The coil turns to uncoil immediately. If it was a load you'd be bleeding your load immediately. The proper load is the rear hip trying to go forward....but can't....because of the rearward resistance of the upper body. And at 'go' the hip/leg thrusts to break through the resistance/load.

A rear hip turned rearward or a front hip turned into the rear hip, or the lead leg turned rearward into the hip, are not quality loads because the resulting action is a push of the rear hip forward. A push forward to break through the resistance.....resistance which is in front of the load. That does little good, other than momentum, when the thing that needs to be accelerated is behind you (the ball in this case). Your pushing the boogeyman. You're working your ass off to push the lead hip...or the lead leg. Which does little for the goal of accelerating the ball....which is behind you. The ball does not feel anything but momentum from the rear hip defeating the front hip or leg. There is no direct connection from the rear hip to the ball. All you have is arm action and lower body momentum......no drive train.

A good load has the rear hip trying to go forward against resistance behind it. This is a critical aspect of the overlap. The ball will feel the full benefit of the rear hip defeating the torso and arm action....which is behind the rear hip. The torso and arm will get defeated....the arm will get whipped....and yanked forward.

[swingbuilder]

What's a drive train? And how does it affect overlap?

[swingbuilder]

Go forward against resistence behind it?????